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Author Topic: [s]Sendai/Ancestor is no longer "Uber".[/s]  (Read 2147 times)

Offline DoctorShanks

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[s]Sendai/Ancestor is no longer "Uber".[/s]
« on: November 29, 2012, 04:25:45 AM »


[10:03:21] Fireburn: Agastya
[10:03:27] Fireburn: can we please ban Ancestor again :V


I'll try to keep this one short and sweet. For those of you who haven't been on the Pokémon Lab server in a while, or plan to try it out, Ancestor/Sendai/Hakurei Miko is no longer Uber and is now available for usage in Standard, which in turn leaves Defense Satori as the only "Uber" within the server. As master Agastya explains it, the reasoning behind this is due to the fact that we now have a somewhat larger population, which should give us the ability to properly test her out. In the past, she was banned due to her ability to "walk all over" teams after a single Curse. Since then, new tactics and possible counters to Sendai have been discovered. But unfortunately, nobody played Ubers, so as a result, Sendai wasn't tested. Now that Sendai is available for use in Standard, the users can use her and play against her once again, and hopefully we can decide for real this time whether or not she deserves the boot.

As for my opinion, I think this is a good thing that we are forced to play with her. Sendai was only temporarily banned to begin with. I've never used or played against Sendai, and I wanted to learn what the fuss was about her. Best part about this is that if she really is a problem, she'll likely be dealt with again (but then again maybe not; I don't know how master Agastya's mind works).

EDIT: She's banned again.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2013, 02:58:24 PM by DoctorShanks »

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Re: Sendai/Ancestor is no longer "Uber".
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2012, 05:27:51 AM »
While I do agree it is great to have Sendai actually tested, after a few matches, I feel that there was a reason why it was initially banned.

She does have her faults (50 Speed is junk, weaknesses to Nature, Water, and Reason bite), but the main problem is that her offensive prowess combined with her excellent defenses make her terribly hard to crack. 120/100/110 Defenses are extremely high - on par with or better than most of the Defense puppet forms in the game. To put that bulk into perspective, I saw a match (don't have the log, unfortunately, so I can't prove it although there were witnesses) where she took three STAB super effective attacks consecutively with no recovery in between except for Leftovers and she didn't die. And she also has 130 Attack, a STAB combination resisted by one form of Puppet (Hatate), the ability to stat up with Curse and abuse it with priority, which makes her terrible Speed less of an issue.

Yikes.

It'll probably take more testing before we can reach a final decision, but I'm leaning towards broken right now.

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Re: Sendai/Ancestor is no longer "Uber".
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2012, 08:56:08 AM »
Here's the battle log Fireburn mentioned:

GABRIELCVS sent out Bant (lvl 100 Defense Shikieiki ♀)!
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Begin turn #20
@GABRIELCVS: now to the plot
DoctorShanks withdrew Cirno!
DoctorShanks sent out Sen-die (lvl 100 Ancestor ♂)!
Bant used Mana Burst!
It's super effective!
Sen-die lost 17/48 (35%) of its health!

Bant's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Bant regained 3/48 (6%) of its health!
Sen-die's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Sen-die regained 3/48 (6%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #21
Doesnt: i
Doesnt: what
@GABRIELCVS: she is no longer a uber
@DoctorShanks: I was expecting Thunderbolt
@DoctorShanks: I know bad plays
GABRIELCVS withdrew Bant!
GABRIELCVS sent out TEPS (lvl 100 Attack Remilia ♀)!
Sen-die used Earthquake!
It doesn't affect TEPS...
Sen-die's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Sen-die regained 3/48 (6%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #22
Fireburn is now watching the battle.
TEPS used Soar!
Sen-die lost 18/48 (37%) of its health!

Sen-die used Force Palm!
It's super effective!
TEPS lost 9/48 (18%) of its health!
TEPS fainted!
Sen-die's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Sen-die regained 3/48 (6%) of its health!
GABRIELCVS sent out Fairies (lvl 100 Luna Child ♂)!
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Begin turn #23
Fireburn: we unbanned this thing why
@DoctorShanks: Because no one was testing it
Kaltchre: for fun times
@DoctorShanks: No one played Ubers I mean
@DoctorShanks: So we have to rage ban it somehow agai
@DoctorShanks: again
Fireburn: shouldn't it be banned :V
Fairies used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Sen-die lost 21/48 (43%) of its health!

Fairies absorbed health!
Fairies regained 17/48 (35%) of its health!
Sen-die used Earthquake!
Fairies lost 35/48 (72%) of its health!
Sen-die's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Sen-die regained 3/48 (6%) of its health!
===============
Begin turn #24
Doesnt: it just took
Doesnt: a soar from aremi
Doesnt: a STAB mana burst
Doesnt: and a STAB giga drain
@DoctorShanks: Loool
Fireburn: this thing is not okay
Doesnt: and it STILL ISN'T DEAD
Doesnt: THAT IS NOT OKAY
Doesnt: FOR SOMETHING WITH 130 ATK
@GABRIELCVS: the giga Drain was booste from type item
@GABRIELCVS: boosted
@GABRIELCVS: so talk about raw endurance
Fireburn: what set are you using shanks
Fairies used Giga Drain!
It's super effective!
Sen-die lost 4/48 (8%) of its health!
Sen-die fainted!
Fairies absorbed health!
Fairies regained 3/48 (6%) of its health!
@DoctorShanks: 252hp/sdef curse/eq/forcepalm/steel fist
@DoctorShanks: careful

DoctorShanks sent out Cirno (lvl 100 Cirno ♂)!
« Last Edit: November 29, 2012, 04:45:58 PM by windmousezidane »

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Re: Sendai/Ancestor is no longer "Uber".
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2012, 10:57:26 AM »
dance my puppets

dance



too bad i can't justify unbanning dsatori with gen 3 struggle
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Re: Sendai/Ancestor is no longer "Uber".
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2012, 08:18:28 PM »
I think testing Ancestor/Sendai out actualy is a good thing, the only problem is if she starts to warp the meta at the point everyone is runing 2 or more Puppets only to deal whit her,she has some flaws like the Terrible Speed but her low number of weaknes (Nature,Reason and Beast) sure help against to overcome it.
But i think she is ok so far.
When history witnesses a great change, Mima reveals herself, first as an evil spirit. As an evil spirit, she uses her power to rain death upon the land, and then she dies at the hands of Miko. However, after a period of slumber, Mima returns, this time as a great hero.