Grinding postgame

[Wrulfang]

So I managed to get to the postgame, did the Kasen quests, and started into Waifu Baking. Got a perfect akyuu and kosuzu for baking. I Reincarnated just one of my main team, I want to know if there is a good spot for grinding for exp and money, or makai e4 is the only reliable source?

Also, is worth to get Yuuka with a bad Speed IV, to run a Gyro ball set, with defense yuuka, or is not slow enough?

[Greenmittenz]

Ultimately Makai4 rematch is the best place to grind a lot of levels but if you don't have something that can quickly farm the first couple fights solo or duo then it isn't really an option. The easiest place to grind is the grass outside Kasen's house as they average level 70 and have 30% at finding a 120 cost puppet and a 70% chance of finding 110 cost puppets (cost is directly tied to the exp yield).

Kasen's is better then Yukari's house as Chen appears at 53.33% with only 80 cost and the Ice Cavern basement has similarly lower costed puppets.

Also you probably already have them but make sure you got the Combat Handbook from Kanako, the 2nd Combat Handbook in the Hakurei Mountain Cave, and the Native Grace from Suwako.

[Wrulfang]

I have the 2 book, but I have not the native grace, what does it do?
I guess is given by suwako, does it has a normal team of lv82, or has a stronger team?

Also, some people suggested me using power Aya for grinding on Makai4, at least with yuki, are there other good things for grinding Yuki?

[akatsukisky]

Native Grace: Doubled XP (not 150%) and doubled PP from any battle. Which is good.

[Greenmittenz]

I used my Chen Assist from story mode to beat Yuki and that worked pretty well. Havent really looked into other options but I know Aya Power can do the first 3 fights solo.

[Wrulfang]

I found a little problem with power aya and Yuki. Speed futo has smoke deployment, and it really hurts into my strategy.

Maybe I could try something with lighting speed that can kill easily rin, so I get to kill rin, lighting speed on futo and continue killing

Also I have no idea how could Medicine's Medicine take that twister without dying and still Aya with venom nova. I guess I still need to level more Power Aya, I though lv80 would be enought to kill the remaining trainers.

Edit: looking at the wiki, Speed Rikako should do the trick. Maybe I end up changing the whole party step by step

[Greenmittenz]

The strategy with Power Aya is to have her at level 100. You want something that can solo so you have more party slots for other stuff. Here is the stats for beating it with AyaP.

Power Aya (Perfect S ranks)
Level: 100
Item: Art of Combat
Mark: Red
Ability: Salvo
EVs 64Fo.Atk 55Spe (11 extra points you can throw somewhere)
Move1: Twister
Move2: Rush Attack
Move3: Spirit Stone Jig
Move4: Spark Javelin

Yuki
MokouS - Twister
FutoS - Spark Javelin
UtsuhoS - Twister
YoumuS - Spirit Stone Jig
SuwakoS - Rush Attack
FlandreS - Rush Attack

Mai
EllisS - Spirit Stone Jig
YuukaD - Rush Attack
NueP - Spirit Stone Jig (need 2 if bad rolls) (forget where swaps in but has Hobgoblin)
RemiliaS - Twister
KasenP - Twister
RaikoP - Spirit Stone Jig x2

Yumeko
SakuyaP - Rush Attack
TenshiP - Rush Attack
KokoroP - Twister x2
MikoP - Spirit Stone Jig
HijiriS - Twister
YumekoS - Spirit Stone Jig

[akatsukisky]

Power Aya: You people.

Oh well, finish pumping her and then i'll proceed to boss-bash the 4.

Can this still work for Shinki? Cos if it doesnt work for Shinki I'll bring my Mokou and Momiji to knock her off.

[Wrulfang]

The strategy with Power Aya is to have her at level 100. You want something that can solo so you have more party slots for other stuff. Here is the stats for beating it with AyaP.

Power Aya (Perfect S ranks)
Level: 100
Item: Art of Combat
Mark: Red
Ability: Salvo
EVs 64Fo.Atk 55Spe (11 extra points you can throw somewhere)
Move1: Twister
Move2: Rush Attack
Move3: Spirit Stone Jig
Move4: Spark Javelin

Yuki
MokouS - Twister
FutoS - Spark Javelin
UtsuhoS - Twister
YoumuS - Spirit Stone Jig
SuwakoS - Rush Attack
FlandreS - Rush Attack

Mai
EllisS - Spirit Stone Jig
YuukaD - Rush Attack
NueP - Spirit Stone Jig (need 2 if bad rolls) (forget where swaps in but has Hobgoblin)
RemiliaS - Twister
KasenP - Twister
RaikoP - Spirit Stone Jig x2

Yumeko
SakuyaP - Rush Attack
TenshiP - Rush Attack
KokoroP - Twister x2
MikoP - Spirit Stone Jig
HijiriS - Twister
YumekoS - Spirit Stone Jig

Well, I think I might redo my Power aya. I went with 2HP, 64FoAT 64Speed, and trancent form instead of rush attack. I have already a Lv63 Rikako as second thing, I guess I could reroll Aya and use the extra 11 points for SpAT.
I went with transcent form instead because is focus, it really wreck the Power Komachis of Kasen's house, but everytime I failed was a almost guaranteed death.

At least training it gave me a ton of money, when I went to get the missing signs I sold the stuff and got like 300K.
Better Idea: get another aya instead of reseting the actual one.

Thanks for the help. Also, is there any list of all the rematchable characters postgame? also, in the trainer card there is a percentage thing, but it still remains at 0.0%, what is for?

[Greenmittenz]

Not sure if AyaP can solo Shinki as well but if you are just grinding you actually don't want to fight her anyways as you have to sit through the entirety of the credits after beating her each time so it is more efficient to just gap back to the start, and yes transcendent form is stronger but Rush Attack is still essentially a 125 base power move with stab off a respectable sp.atk stat so it does enough to do the job. You might be able to use Break Shot in its place as a focus move but not sure if that one works. Also jsut realized I did all of those calculations with -1 stage in Fo.Atk so some of those 2 turn fights might be 1 turn after all.

The 0.0% I believe is your W/L record for playing online. As for post game battles here is a list of all of them.

Chen (at Mayohiga)
Ran (at Yukari's House use the gap map and change pages)
Yukari (at Yukari's House)
Reimu (Hakurei Shrine)
Marisa (Her house in the FoM)
Medicine (Suzuran Fields)
Cirno (In the Icy Cavern)
Faeries of Light (Behind the Hakurei Shrine)
Sakuya (SDM Kitchen)
Nitori (Outside her workshop)
Yuugi (Outside the entrance to the City in Former Hell)
Utsuho (Before the hallway leading the the Hell of Blazing Fires Control Area)
Yuuka (At her house)
Shou (At the Myouren Temple)
Sanae (At the Moriya Shrine)
Sara (at the end of the cave to Makai)
Yuki/Mai/Yumeko/Shinki (end game Rematch fights)
Letty (Bottom of the Ice Cavern)
Alice (at her house)
Seiga (In the Myouren Temple Cave as a part of the Kasen Sidequest)
Sukuna (In the Hakurei Shrine as a part of the Kasen Sidequest)
Sukuna Again (Outside the Hakurei Shrine near Genji after the Kasen Sidequest)

[Doesnt]

The given Power Aya should one-shot everything at level 100 other than Yumeko's Power Kokoro, who cannot kill you back without getting a crit. This is part of why Power Aya is such a good solo-mon; you don't even need to waste time healing except between runs, when almost any mon would need to heal anyway due to running out of moves.

I'm pretty sure Rush Attack is mandatory for breaking through Tenshi at the very least though; it'll live a Break Shot due to Indomitable and proceed to demolish Aya with Brandish. I don't think you need a particular EV spread though; full FAtk/Speed investment should be enough.

[Wrulfang]

Got #1 Power aya to lv 100, it goes smooth even without the extra 11 EVs into spread attack for rush attack.

I noticed a little flaw with Greenmittenz EV spread. 55 speed EVs is just enought to outspeed Yuki's speed futo, the main threat, however with 350 points of speed, Mai's Speed remilia outspeeds power aya. A total of 58 Speed EVs are needed.

Is not an important problem, as the only remotely way it could kill Power aya, is doing a critical hit with inferno and leaving burn.
However, it still damages Power aya, and you will need to use a paste of the fog for healing it, or Yumemi's Power Kokoro will kill it with Arclight.

I've been some calcs with the excel puppetdex with Shinki team, and Power Aya can't solo shinki.
With art of combat, would need 2 moves to kill power mima, there is a small chance that a single twister will do, but you would need to get crits or max damage. Mima will attack, will not kill Power aya, but will leave it crippled.
The watatsukis are no problem, rush attack and spark javelin.
Defense Yukari is the main problem. With art of combat, there is even a small chance that 2 twisters are not enough. If you go with art of combat, you will have already lost a chunk of HP with mima. If you go with straw dolls, Mima will die with a single twister, however when you face yukari, you will already lost some health with straw dolls killing the previus puppets. When yukari attacks, you will have 60%HP remaining, enought to die with inferno, since gravity blast won't be a viable move from the AI, with the lowered HP.

I'm a bit confused with the damage calculator, as is like is ignoring Catasthrope stab. Also, art of combat seems to only boost Twister, regardless of type matchups.

Assuming you somehow managed to survive, you need to lose other 10% more of HP with straw dolls. Aya can kill Sariel without problem.

Asuming now that yukari missed inferno instead of using other move, and you could kill the rest of the stuff, you are with Power shinki now. Same case that with yukari, you can't one shot it. assuming that the map viewer is right and the devs put 64 EVs on EVERYTHING on Power shinki.

Conclussion: 64Fo.Atk and 58Speed, moves as Greenmittenz said, warp back to makai after defeating yumeko.

[decondelite]

As far as I've experienced, the best way to grind is to place the puppet to train as 1st member of the team with the native grace, start the fight with yuki, then switch out to another puppet. Once you've beaten yuki, you can use the gap map to go heal by Louise, then start again and again, till your puppet is fully trained.
Of course you might want

Little tip: the lower the puppet is than the opponent, the higher the XP multiplicator is. So you can get an insane amount of XP with one single fight with yuki, if the puppet to train is level 1. I think I remember earning something around 180.000XP that way (along with 36PP), and skyrocketing the said puppet straight from Level 1 to Level 54. it took me only a few matches with yuki to get the puppet to level 80.

Really, running around near Kasen's house is a complete waste of time.

[Greenmittenz]

Kasen's house is only for if you need to grind a small amount of experience or don't have something capable of beating Yuki. (this is how I got my Chen to a level that could beat Yuki, and then used Chen to beat Yuki to Grind Aya to 100)

Also swapping around on Yuki is faster if you only need to train 1 thing but isn't very reasonable if you are trying to train 5 puppets at once. The reason for fighting Mai and Yumeko as well is that if you can solo them as well its faster to go take them out and then gap back then to simply beat Yuki and gap back with just her.

also 58 points in speed is right I missed Remilia's speed when i was looking for the fastest thing and put 55 as the minimum required. Personally I just use maxed Fo.Atk and Speed. Also the damage formula had some bugs with the art of combat and a few other things which i have found that I have fixed but just haven't uploaded yet as well just cause i'm lazy. if you just multiply the relevant stuff by 1.2x and then round the numbers down you will get the correct amount.

[Wrulfang]

Did further calcs on Yumeko's Power Kokoro. Because Arclight can crit and if it crits Power Aya dies. Not the biggest of the problems, but well...

I dont know the bare minimun EVs needed to resist a crit Arcligt, but I'm going to say is more than you can sacrifice from fo.Atk and still being able to one shot the rest.

I did however calcs with Straw dolls. the calcs looks more promissing, but not perfect. with straw dolls, it does 19,13% minimum damage.
However, the average damage should be enought. If you score 5 hits of the lowest damage, the shot fails and power kokoro remains with 15 remaining HP. For comparison, scoring 5 hits of the second lowest damage, it exactly kills Power kokoro. Pretty a difference, I guess is due to rounders, but I'm not caring enought to do a complete stadistic of what % of the time you will faill to one shot Power kokoro.

That's being said, using straw dolls instead of art of combat carries 2 possible inconveniences:
-You have to switch art of combat with straw dolls before and after Yumeko. I don't know menu consistency, but if you get to it, I would end up having 2 of each item so their position is the same in the menu, without dropping down. I know the menu keeps the positions of items, but yeah, you get it.
-You have to keep Power aya with straw dolls, and feed it a paste of the fog after yuki and mai. I think is less imputs than the other option, however, you have to spend a bit of money on each run. I don't know the possible items they loot after battle but you won't loss money.

Also there is a third option, not facing yumeko. Is all up to you.
If someone wants and thurst stadistics, can make a % of probable is that Twister fails to kill Power kokoro with straw dolls?
Anyways, the % of getting critted should be just a 1/16, and the only thing you will lose is some time getting the rest of you puppets killed. I really haven't edited them, they're just fresh reincarnated with a large level.