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Attack Patchouli
« on: August 12, 2013, 08:30:47 AM »
http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/wiki/Attack_Patchouli

Type: Fire/Water
Ability's: Blaze/Torrent
Hp:60
Atk:30
Def:50
SpAtk:160
SpDef:160
Spd:60

That special attack, that special bulk, that kickass sprite. Add on a nifty fire/water typing and 2 relevant abilities and you have one HELL of a bulky attacker. Oh noes 50/60 physical bulk! Who... cares... absolutely nothing wants to swap in on something this nuclear.

Set: Blow shit up

(Attack Patchouli) (M) @ Leftovers/Chesto Berry/Swimsuit/Gothic Dress
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 86 HP/172 Spd/252 SpAtk
Modest nature (+SpAtk,-Atk)
- Fire Blast/Flamethrower
- Hydro Pump
- Mana Burst
- Aromatherapy/Rest/wilo wisp/mana charge

Usage is simple, swap in on non super effective special attack and murder the HELL out of something. With the given EV's patchy hits as hard as possible while out speeding base 80's with up to 2 points of speed creep and out speeding 168 ev T Toyohime by 1 to ensure the OHKO while in torrent range or the 2 hit KO on swapin. I prefer torrent over blaze because water is generally a better attacking type and you'll normally be using the 100% accurate flamethrower as the weaker stab. Mana burst covers faith types and aromatherapy provides team support, and is generally the best use of your 4th moveslot. Rest lets patchy stick around longer to do even more nuking and can allow for slightly more torrent/blaze abuse. Wilo wisp/Reflect can neuter physical threats on the swap however they're very niche moves because as we'll soon see almost nothing wants to actually come in on patchy. Mana charge is overkill, super massive overkill, but if can put in work at times.

To give an idea of A Patchys power, enjoy some numbers, no type item no torrent/blaze.

Fire blast Vs Fully invested Konngara, 294-348 (76.56 - 90.62%)
Fire blast Vs Fully invested D dai, 258-306 (70.87 - 84.06%)
Fire Blast VS Fully invested D kayuga, 181-214 (35.91 - 42.46%)
Fire Blast VS Fully invested Star S, 160-189 (41.66 - 49.21%)
Fire Blast VS Fully Invested Ruukoto,204-240 (67.1 - 78.94%)
Hydro Pump VS Fully Invested Suika, 320-378 (72.07 - 85.13%)
Hydro Pump VS Fully Invested Ad Alice, 135-160 (41.66 - 49.38%)
Hydro Pump VS Fully Invested Ad Meiling, 169-201 (46.42 - 55.21%)
Mana Burst VS Fully Invested Yoshika, 182-216 (37.6 - 44.62%)
Mana Burst VS Fully Invested Sariel, 144-170 (39.56 - 46.7%)
Mana Burst VS Fully Invested Shingyoku-F, 124-148 (34.06 - 40.65%)

Before we go into counters you may wonder why almost none of these walls are on the list. Torrent/Blaze + hold item is why. Torrent boosted hydro pump with a swimsuit vs 252 Hp/ 252+ Spdef Yoshika 288-339 (59.5 - 70.04%).

Counters:
Namazu, Sariel, BenBen and the Murasa forms are capable of swapping in on APatchy and tanking hits through either sheer bulk or resistances multiple times. Past that counters get shaky at best, Futo and DSuwako can live even a torrent/blaze range hydro pump/fire blast and force patchy out with the prospect of a physical onslaught, though neither of them will want to do so more than once and swapping in on a mana burst will decimate them AStar Sapphire can play the same game on swap in but its really damn risky. Honestly your best bet is to just let something die to get damage on patchy and then send in a pursuit trapper. Banded Yumeko with speed investment can come in on the revenge kill with a bit of prior damage on patchy and deal 177-208 damage (62.76 - 73.75%) to patchy with pursuit even if patch stays in. Banded SYamame and Banded AKiene can trap as well.

Support: A patchy is a big ole hole punching nuke, she likes spikes and really wants a really solid physical core to swap into but sans that its just swap in and blow holes in teams. Ghost typing on the team is helpful to deal with the little vampires that could (A flan is not fun to deal with and can get a free swapin off of patchy). Youki and SYoumu both love aromatherapy support and Lyrica brings spikes to the table, while AMurasa can help overload special cores while bringing a respectable physical bulk with her, and...rain boosted hydro pump is rain boosted hydro pump.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2014, 12:45:30 PM by joshcja »

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Re: Attack Patchouli
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2013, 09:21:47 AM »
-Will-O-Wisp burns things on the switch-in, allowing her to stay and use a proper move.
-Magic Coat helps against special walls trying to Toxic stall you, but has little use outside of that.
-Reflect can help her to take a Rock Bullet when trying to sweep a weakened team, as well as some other priority.
-Mana Charge is a more reliable way of dealing with special walls.

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Re: Attack Patchouli
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2013, 04:50:59 AM »
-Will-O-Wisp burns things on the switch-in, allowing her to stay and use a proper move.
-Magic Coat helps against special walls trying to Toxic stall you, but has little use outside of that.
-Reflect can help her to take a Rock Bullet when trying to sweep a weakened team, as well as some other priority.
-Mana Charge is a more reliable way of dealing with special walls.

Added WoW/Reflect

On the note of mana charge:

With no stat/type boosting item...

Fire blast Vs Fully invested Konngara, 294-348 (76.56 - 90.62%)
Fire blast Vs Fully invested D dai, 258-306 (70.87 - 84.06%)
Fire Blast VS Fully invested D kayuga, 181-214 (35.91 - 42.46%)
Fire Blast VS Fully invested Star S, 160-189 (41.66 - 49.21%)
Fire Blast VS Fully Invested Ruukoto,204-240 (67.1 - 78.94%)
Hydro Pump VS Fully Invested Suika, 320-378 (72.07 - 85.13%)
Hydro Pump VS Fully Invested Ad Alice, 135-160 (41.66 - 49.38%)
Hydro Pump VS Fully Invested Ad Meiling, 169-201 (46.42 - 55.21%)
Mana Burst VS Fully Invested Yoshika, 182-216 (37.6 - 44.62%)
Mana Burst VS Fully Invested Sariel, 144-170 (39.56 - 46.7%)
Mana Burst VS Fully Invested Shingyoku-F, 124-148 (34.06 - 40.65%)

Patchy does not need to set up to maim even the best special walls
« Last Edit: August 16, 2013, 11:07:56 AM by joshcja »

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Re: Attack Patchouli
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2013, 09:49:42 AM »
is Icy Wind worthwhile at all?

I mean you know

Speedcreeping and all.

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Re: Attack Patchouli
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2013, 10:00:35 AM »
is Icy Wind worthwhile at all?

I mean you know

Speedcreeping and all.

Why? Patchy already destroys every swapin by just spamming attacks. Wilo is mainly on the list because it does give OK utility and can help against CM sariel. Aromatherapy/reflect can swing games entirely so they're worth a turn and rest allows for a fast heal and better torrent abuse.

If it doesn't quad resist fire/water and it comes in on patchy its utterly crippled afterwards. Just swap patchy out and let your core do work. With her special bulk swapping in again later isnt a big deal.

If patchy is weak enough that she cant swap out...Blaze/torrent something is gonna die

321-378 (100 - 117.75%) -- guaranteed OHKO <- Yorihime trying to sponge a torrent range hydro pump, and failing
« Last Edit: August 16, 2013, 10:18:05 AM by joshcja »

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Re: Attack Patchouli
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2013, 11:18:05 AM »
uhhh

uhhh

Doubles.

I'd probably give that reasoning a bit harder time if it weren't for the fact your A-Patchouli cleanly OHKO'd my Calm Full HP/SpD Investment D-Daiyousei

It'd probably do the same Advent Alice too

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Re: Attack Patchouli
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2013, 11:29:54 AM »
uhhh

uhhh

Doubles.

I'd probably give that reasoning a bit harder time if it weren't for the fact your A-Patchouli cleanly OHKO'd my Calm Full HP/SpD Investment D-Daiyousei

It'd probably do the same Advent Alice too

2 hit KO on fully invested AD alice 100% of the time after 2 spikes or ohko with 3 layers of spikes and torrent
« Last Edit: August 16, 2013, 11:34:05 AM by joshcja »

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Re: [WIP]Attack Patchouli
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2013, 10:33:32 PM »
Bump cause reformatted.