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General Metagame / OU/Standard Threatlist WIP [Open for editing]

« on: August 24, 2013, 09:31:16 AM »

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13fXIZZhbvNRB5D85pjXbT4A9Aqgrs0JFTLd3oqysK_0/edit

Theres a back-up of this but I'd still appreciate if no one kills the formatting.
[When adding a link over a name please keep the color formatting]

Text Only No Explanations List

Ok due to the slowly growing community of shoddy I'd say a threat list is almost needed as a semi replacement for standard suspects. This is pretty much my attempt to remove as much personal bias as possible before doing real work because I'm bad at objective.

Anyways due to the insane amount of viable mons the goal was to narrow it down to top 50 attack/Def top 20 support without overlapping. Before I actually go and finish this thing off (Props to Shai for doing all the real work so far) heres the big list.

If you feel anything has been missed, missplaced, or over rated feel free to list what and the reasons why.

Offensive:

Code: [Select]

AdCirno
AdMarisa
AdMokou
AdReisen
AKayuga
AKiene
AKoishi
ALilyBlack
AMinoriko
AMurasa
APatchouli
AReimu
ARemilia
ARin
ASanae
AShou
AStar
ASuwako
ATenshi
AUtsuho
Chen
Dark Alice
(A/S)Flandre
Hatate
Ichirin
Kasen
Lyrica
Miko
Mimi-chan
Momiji
Nitori
Rikako
Satori
Seiga
Shingyoku-O
SLilyBlack
SKoishi
SMarisa
SRin
SSariel
SYorihime
SYoumu
TAya
TByakuren
TToyohime
Wriggle
Yorihime
Youki
Yumeko
Yumemi
Defensive:

Code: [Select]

DMeiling
Medicine
DSuwako
AdAlice
Admeiling
AkiSisters
Alice
Aya
Chiyuri
DDaiyousei
DHatate
DByakuren
DHina
DIchirin
DKayuga
DKeiine
DLayla
DLetty
DMokou
DTenshi
DTewi
DYuyuko
Gengi
HEirin
HKieine
HShizuha
HStarSaphire
Kayuga
Kikuri
Kisume
Konngara
LilyWhite
Louize
Magic Stones
Murasa
Namazu
Nue
Rin
Rumia
Ruukoto
Sara
Sariel
Shingyoku-F
Shingyoku-M
Star Saphire
Suika
TSanae
Yamame
Yoshika
Yuuka
Support:

Code: [Select]

ATewi
Shizuha
HKoakuma
HLunasa
THatate
HNazrin
HSakuya
Kotohime
LilyBlak
Sakuya
SKogasa
SMedicine
SKomachi
SYamame
TYuuka
Mamizou
Mugetsu
ZFairy


Old OP: Doesn't even need to go in-depth to a thing's usage.

Just why you need to prepare for it.

see:
http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_ou_threatlist

Theres already the obvious

Offense
Youki
Mimi-Chan
Adv Reisen
Technical Toyohime

Defense
Aya
Star Sapphire
Helper Star Sapphire
Helper Eirin
Defense Daiyousei
Defense Kaguya
Defense Tenshi
Konngara

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Shoddy Touhoumon Info/Discussion / Re: Touhoumon Damage Calc

« on: August 24, 2013, 09:08:37 AM »

ok.


Hatcalc1.021.zip (180 KB)
https://mega.co.nz/#!SV0XRApa!Ih1_oSI7TDKo6hPx_qfzui9YElN5Ahrhxo6s48tTqfY

fraud who can't figure out how to add a function for halving defense in the premises lets all point and laugh

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


How many Puppets do we have that use alternate speed spreads? Thinking of editing sets in the speed calc.

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Movesets / Re: Luna Child

« on: August 24, 2013, 08:46:32 AM »

be glad shoddy 1 even works for you dog.

Lategame sweeper that can switch in/pivot on Thunderwaves is pretty neato

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ROM Hacks + General Discussion / Re: THPP Wiki Situation

« on: August 24, 2013, 06:18:32 AM »

https://www.linode.com/

The soku lobby rests on a expensive as fuck dedicated server but I was recommended this.

Hope it helps!

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Movesets / Re: List of Analyses

« on: August 23, 2013, 09:25:49 PM »

You forgot something!

Little Chibi Cup!

Chibi Alice
Chibi Aya
Chibi Byakuren
Chibi Chen
Chibi Chiyuri
Chibi Cirno
Chibi Daiyousei
Chibi Eirin
Chibi Elis
Chibi Ellen
Chibi Elly
Chibi Flandre
Chibi Futo
Chibi Gengetsu
Chibi Hakurei
Chibi Hatate
Chibi Hina
Chibi Ichirin
Chibi Iku
Chibi Kaguya
Chibi Kana
Chibi Kanako
Chibi Kasen
Chibi Kazami
Chibi Keine
Chibi Kirisame
Chibi Kisume
Chibi Koakuma
Chibi Kogasa
Chibi Koishi
Chibi Komachi
Chibi Konngara
Chibi Kotohime
Chibi Kurumi
Chibi Kyouko
Chibi Layla
Chibi Letty
Chibi Lily Black
Chibi Lily White
Chibi Luize
Chibi Luna Child
Chibi Lunasa
Chibi Lyrica
Chibi Mai
Chibi Mamizou
Chibi Margatroid
Chibi Marisa
Chibi Medicine
Chibi Meiling
Chibi Meira
Chibi Merlin
Chibi Miko
Chibi Mima
Chibi Minoriko
Chibi Mokou
Chibi Momji
Chibi Mugetsu
Chibi Murasa
Chibi Mystia
Chibi Nazrin
Chibi Nitori
Chibi Nue
Chibi Orange
Chibi Parsee
Chibi Patchouli
Chibi Ran
Chibi Reimu
Chibi Reisen
Chibi Remilia
Chibi Rika
Chibi Rikako
Chibi Rin
Chibi Rumia
Chibi Sakuya
Chibi Sanae
Chibi Sara
Chibi Sariel
Chibi Satori
Chibi Seiga
Chibi Shikieiki
Chibi Shingyoku
Chibi Shinki
Chibi Shizuha
Chibi Shou
Chibi Star Sapphire
Chibi Suika
Chibi Sunny Milk
Chibi Suwako
Chibi Tenshi
Chibi Tewi
Chibi Tojiko
Chibi Tokiko
Chibi Toyohime
Chibi Utsuho
Chibi Wriggle
Chibi Yamame
Chibi Yorihime
Chibi Yoshika
Chibi Youmu
Chibi Yuka
Chibi Yukari
Chibi Yuki
Chibi Yumeko
Chibi Yumemi
Chibi Yuugenmagan
Chibi Yuugi
Chibi Yuyuko



turns out it really is chibi cup

Shanghai, kedama, and Hourai cannot hatch from eggs

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Shoddy Touhoumon Info/Discussion / Re: Touhoumon Damage Calc

« on: August 23, 2013, 09:05:26 AM »

Sweetos.

Should be easier for Shanks or Someone to put together a speed tier list now

I might just do it if shoddy2 doesn't come back up soon though zzzzzz

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Shoddy Touhoumon Info/Discussion / Hat Calculator 1.02

« on: August 23, 2013, 04:26:30 AM »

To-Do:

Modify
'Zen Headbutt':[80,'Psychic','Physical'] -> Reason
'High-Jump Kick':[110,'Fighting','Physical'] -> Dream
'Superpower':[120,'Fighting','Physical'] -> Dream
'Hyper Voice':[90,'Dream','Special'] -> 95 BP
'Ice Ball':[90,'Ice','Special'] -> Physical
'Dream Eater':[75,'Dark','Physical'] -> Special
'Blaze Kick':[85,'Fire','Physical'] -> 90 BP
'Thunder':[120,'Electric','Special'], -> Wind
'Thunderbolt':[90,'Electric','Special'], -> Wind
'ThunderPunch':[75,'Electric','Physical'], -> Wind
'Thundershock':[40,'Electric','Special'], -> Wind
'Volt Tackle':[120,'Electric','Physical'] -> Wind
'Discharge':[80,'Electric','Special'], -> Wind
'Bullet Seed':[25,'Grass','Physical'], -> Nature
'Giga Drain':[75,'Grass','Special'] -> Nature

add
'Signal Beam':[90,'Heart','Special']
'Nature Sound':[95,'Nature','Special']
'LUNATIC':[120,'Steel','Special']
'Braver':[120,'Steel','Physical']
'Outrage':[120,'Dark','Physical']
'Frenzy Plant':[140,'Nature','Special'],

Function on Selfdestruct/Explosion to Halve Defense


doesnt edit: outrage is not a physical/physical move- ty for finding all these though

edit: found more

Slash'd Are done

Hatcalc1.02.zip (180 KB)
https://mega.co.nz/#!aU0AEbQA!ZBtVw35xr_vqnxDWbDOxt3nTecAjp7mprOunT22vkpE

Changelog:
Added Missing Moves
Corrected Wrong Move Data

Bonus: Rough version of a speed calculator
[inspoiler]The "Don't touch This"s from top to bottom are: Choice Scarf, Regular Pokemon Tailwind, and Quickfeet. Can't remove the checkboxes without breaking the Calculating.[/inspoiler]

the modified shoddy battle 1 client doesn't work for me even after running the original shoddy client so hope ya'll have fun till the old server comes back up

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Movesets / Re: Speed Yamame

« on: August 22, 2013, 08:53:20 PM »

Great thread!
I was thinking in posting a WIP for Speed Yamame's because I noticed that even after seeing the Puppet in a couple of teams no one had posted anything about her yet, but I'm glad you beat me to it because I would have missed several things like the Choice set, the coverage provided by Steel Fist and the Speed calculations.

To contribute to the thread, I think you could include these moves in Other Options:
Needle Arm: Effective against Earth Puppets that threat S Yamame with Earth attacks, and with S Yamame's high Speed you can take advantage of the random flinch chance.
Cross Poison: Pretty much swap with Poison Jab for -15 base Power (after STAB) but higher critical hit chance if you are feeling lucky. Still, Poison Jab is more reliable.

Glad you like the sets (I spend way to much time on the Speed shaving/creeping on most sets I make lol)


On the note of Needle arm:

Stab EQ = 150 base power
Super effective Needle arm = 150 base power

T-Toyo

thats pretty much the only reason you want Needle Arm.

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Shoddy Touhoumon Info/Discussion / Re: Touhoumon Damage Calc

« on: August 22, 2013, 07:41:33 PM »

Uh, quick question... does it use the Gen V damage formula? (as seen in the credits, at least)
If so, wouldn't it actually require changing it to the Gen III one instead?

EDIT: also, small nitpicking on the Item section: Choice Band -> Choice Ribbon.
Putting the boosted type for each type-boosting item between brackets (as done in Shoddy) might be helpful, too, if you wouldn't mind.

I don't feel comfortable touching how the end-damage calculates and from comparing with the marriland calc there hasn't been any variations outside of explode/self-destruct

Not changing Choice Band -> Choice Ribbon because there are 2 "Choice Bands" and they fill the fill the role of Choice Band only. Which is significant if you're new because Specs/Scarf doesn't exist. And if you're not new, You already know both of those items equate to Choice Band.

bother doesnt to alter that code if you want, I'm not touching it, might add type boosted things in brackets though.

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Movesets / Re: [WIP]Nue

« on: August 22, 2013, 07:30:52 PM »

but yeah, Nue is probably not the best SD user ever, after all. The only SD set I can see consistently differentiating itself from things like Tailwind AReimu is the Disable + SD one, and even then, it does rely a lot on prediction and surprise.

I don't see whats so "relying on prediction and surprise" about switching in to a Reasoner that she outspeeds, disabling the move they just used and SDing on your free turn.

I mean on counterplay [after they first see it] They make you pick between disable or swords dance, which is still nice odds to me.

Also I'm pretty sure regular Nue doesn't get substitute? [at least its not listed on wiki]

Anyways, don't remove the set, but if its not Nue's optimal set you can tack it down

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Movesets / Re: [WIP]Nue

« on: August 22, 2013, 02:23:08 AM »

I'm going to just say the ability to come on DKaguya/Non-Helper Star Sapphires and either kill them or potentially get a free SD [You can't expect switch every-time, because they can carry Mana Burst] is extremely awesome too.

along with the after-mentioned Yorihime which is a stop to Nue [like Youki, cept can die from SelfDestruct], Chiyuri is a check to Nue, Being able to Survive +1 Brave Birds/Poison Jabs/Gunk Shots and Paralyze or Outright Kill with Luster Purge [Mana Burst will have a chance to OHKO at full SpA investment, but Luster Purge will have a 1/3 chance to OHKO even with no SpA investment (100% OHKO at 116 EVs)]

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Movesets / Re: [WIP]Nue

« on: August 22, 2013, 01:39:54 AM »

Disable is pretty feasible on Nue off that beastly 130 Speed

Due to this + her resistance list, she probably appreciates Encore users too.

After something dies to Drawn Line/Braver, Mana Burst/Luster Purge, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam you can lock out their Nue-killing move and SD Up

Also her bulk is good enough to survive priority at full health [Flying typing means you don't fear spikes damage either]
its Pretty similar to Dark Alice Bulk.

252+ Atk Choice Band Youki Blade Flash vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nue: 180-212 (55.9 - 65.83%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band AdCirno Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nue: 254-300 (78.88 - 93.16%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band AdLetty Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nue: 236-282 (73.29 - 87.57%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Momiji Blade Flash vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nue: 260-308 (80.74 - 95.65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Yorihime Blade Flash vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nue: 236-282 (73.29 - 87.57%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Of course, she can't touch any of these guys anyways with her STAB combination but its worth a mention [then again it'll be rare that she'll be sitting at full health with brave bird... no soar to fall back on either]

Does anything even run Gale? [Wiki says Gale is Flying type, is this a typo?]

She sits on a pretty comfortable speed tier though, After a Swords Dance, She'll only need to be switched out immediately vs Youki and Advent Marisa [and Mimi-chan if she's not sitting at full-health which is likely if she's running Brave Bird, Gothic Wearing Mimi will still kill 1/4 of the time and Nue will still be betting on Mimi not exploding though]

She is gambling on Speed tie vs Speed Marisa, Advent Reisen and Speed Yorihime [The last of which you do not want to stay in on AT ALL Speed form or not, both can take a +2 Brave Bird and kill you no problem]

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ROM Hacks + General Discussion / Re: THPP Wiki Situation

« on: August 21, 2013, 09:19:28 PM »

I can't stop you from trying I guess

go for it?

[inspoiler]This came as a bit of a blow to me because I doubt we'll have space for ball sprites until we get a new server but oh well, still working on animating them on-and-off[/inspoiler]

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Movesets / Re: [WIP]Zombie Fairy

« on: August 21, 2013, 08:50:24 PM »

My Focus is on Dark Alice right now because NEW TECHNOLOGY but I'll take all of this in mind.

gotta find a new core to retreat into as fairy atm

but yes that table example you listed is what I had in mind. [I could have sworn someone else in here had an analysis with something like that]

like

Stat Base Min- Min Max Max+

as the header

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ROM Hacks + General Discussion / Re: THPP Wiki Situation

« on: August 21, 2013, 07:58:19 PM »

trimming and re-hosting images elsewhere would be marginal at best

I doubt re-ordering the text would help much either.


[inspoiler]I'd like to get out in the open that there is bad blood between this webmaster and me but I'm hoping he'll be professional about this.[/inspoiler]