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Title: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Kevin Eontrainer on December 23, 2015, 08:24:17 AM
Hello everyone! I'm Kevin Eontrainer and I'm new here :)
I hope we can all be friends!
So anyway, I'm a big fan of TPP especially Touhou Puppet Play Enhanced as my personal favourite. I've been looking for "competitive" PvP battle in TPP Enhanced everywhere and Thank Goodness I found this forum.
Tbh I'm also a competitive Pokemon player and I do know how fun it is to talk about metagames etc. But since I'm also a big fan of Touhou, I'd like to enjoy TPPE to the fullest
XD

So, I've been analyzing the game itself and I found a pretty much good way to make PvP battle become more even without the requiring an annoying amount of grinding. Therefore I made my own flat rules so that I can battle with my friend evenly. I also upload our battle videos on Youtube as well! Please check it out if U will :)
Here's the link to my videos: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmbXD8tbjwsZi3pWxkE-Xhl4oFQitST51

You can read the rules in the video's description.

I'd like to know about which Boneka are the most preferred ones in TPP metagame?
I hope I can learn a lot from this forum:v
I would be glad to befriend with the other TPP fans and hopefully we can have a lot of fun :)
Thanks a lot, guys!

P.S: Sorry 4 the long post
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Doesnt on December 23, 2015, 10:18:07 PM
Welcome!

Most of us don't actually think very highly of TPPE and prefer playing on Shoddy, which emulates core 1.8 mechanics in an environment without slide evolutions or a need for grinding. It's not quite as pretty as the GBA games, but team-building is considerably faster since there is no need to either grind or breed for IVs. There's a download link in this thread if you'd like to check it out: http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/index.php?topic=7.0
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: joshcja on December 24, 2015, 12:20:27 AM

I'd like to know about which Boneka are the most preferred ones in TPP metagame?
I hope I can learn a lot from this forum:v
I would be glad to befriend with the other TPP fans and hopefully we can have a lot of fun :)
Thanks a lot, guys!

P.S: Sorry 4 the long post

Doesnt answered the first bit pretty well.

As for the bold... Scroll down one thread.

http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/index.php?topic=241.0
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Kevin Eontrainer on December 24, 2015, 07:06:25 AM
Welcome!

Most of us don't actually think very highly of TPPE and prefer playing on Shoddy, which emulates core 1.8 mechanics in an environment without slide evolutions or a need for grinding. It's not quite as pretty as the GBA games, but team-building is considerably faster since there is no need to either grind or breed for IVs. There's a download link in this thread if you'd like to check it out: http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/index.php?topic=7.0

Thanks you for your reply! I'll check it out as soon as possible.
But FYI, TPPE is actually pretty fun as well :v
Because U can get the experience of raising your boneka and EV train em from zero to hero.
Besides, Aichiya Sanae (the creator of TPPE) facilitates team building ver well.
U can instant hatch and egg, reset any boneka to lv.5 and reset all the EVs. GBA Emulator has save state feature and it surely simplify the team buliding significantly.
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Kevin Eontrainer on December 24, 2015, 07:08:11 AM

I'd like to know about which Boneka are the most preferred ones in TPP metagame?
I hope I can learn a lot from this forum:v
I would be glad to befriend with the other TPP fans and hopefully we can have a lot of fun :)
Thanks a lot, guys!

P.S: Sorry 4 the long post

Alrite thanks :D
Doesnt answered the first bit pretty well.

As for the bold... Scroll down one thread.

http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/index.php?topic=241.0
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Drewko on December 24, 2015, 12:57:34 PM
Well, i guess TPPE is quite different from "traditional" TPP in terms of competitive play because of Slide Evos.
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Doesnt on December 24, 2015, 04:31:23 PM
Aya used Baton Pass!
Technical Aya used Aeroblast!
Cirno used Nasty Plot! Cirno used Swords Dance!
Helper Eirin used Sleep Powder!
Attack Utsuho used Agility! Attack Utsuho used Aeroblast!
Defense Kaguya used Spikes!
Hatate used Heat Wave!
Advent Reisen used Mana Charge! Advent Reisen used Mist Ball!
Sariel used Hyper Beam!
Attack Keine used Swords Dance!
Defense Keine used Recover!
Attack Patchouli used Psycho Boost! Attack Patchouli used Aeroblast!
Yamame used Baton Pass!
Dark Alice used Mana Charge! Dark Alice used Spikes! Dark Alice used Substitute! Dark Alice used Wish!
Momiji used Spikes!
Shinki and Yuugenmagan and most of the other PC-98s used nothing at all because hahahaha why would we give anything to bad mons

(slide evolutions are stupid)
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: joshcja on December 24, 2015, 04:44:00 PM
TL:DR version

Most of those mon's are already absurdly difficult to manage even with a limited movepool (Dkaguya alone is responsible for 100% pjab use on every single mon that gets it).

Honestly while slide evo's are fun in a "lol rip game" sort of way, purple/unamed are the 1.8 hacks of choice around here and shoddy is just super easy to build on.

That said if you really like in game play with super brokemons there's always tpdp.

(To be fair, on the PC98 front...Yumeko is already perfect)
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Zak-something on December 24, 2015, 05:11:47 PM
I actually DO play PPE and would love to have a match with you when i get around to restarting the game.
That said everyone here is right when it comes to Shoddy.

Also in addition to the viability thread, you should also look at the moveset subforum and/or ask how a certain Touhou should be used. Knowing a mon is good means nothing if you don't know HOW they're good, etc.

Aya used Baton Pass!
Technical Aya used Aeroblast!
Cirno used Nasty Plot! Cirno used Swords Dance!
Helper Eirin used Sleep Powder!
Attack Utsuho used Agility! Attack Utsuho used Aeroblast!
Defense Kaguya used Spikes!
Hatate used Heat Wave!
Advent Reisen used Mana Charge! Advent Reisen used Mist Ball!
Sariel used Hyper Beam!
Attack Keine used Swords Dance!
Defense Keine used Recover!
Attack Patchouli used Psycho Boost! Attack Patchouli used Aeroblast!
Yamame used Baton Pass!
Dark Alice used Mana Charge! Dark Alice used Spikes! Dark Alice used Substitute! Dark Alice used Wish!
Momiji used Spikes!
Shinki and Yuugenmagan and most of the other PC-98s used nothing at all because hahahaha why would we give anything to bad mons

(slide evolutions are stupid)
Actually Advent mons and Goth Alice can't slide evolve in PPE trust me I tried I don't remember Speed Sariel though but I'd imagine the same thing.
What do you mean my point contributes absolutely nothing it totally does, hush.
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Kevin Eontrainer on December 26, 2015, 08:39:55 AM
Well, i guess TPPE is quite different from "traditional" TPP in terms of competitive play because of Slide Evos.

Slide Evos? U mean changable  forms?
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Kevin Eontrainer on December 26, 2015, 08:49:57 AM
I actually DO play PPE and would love to have a match with you when i get around to restarting the game.
That said everyone here is right when it comes to Shoddy.

Sure! I'd love to have a TPPE match  with you too! But... does anyone here know how to do Wifi battle using MyBoy! or VBAlink?? Because I've tried to insert the IP adress etc but it keeps saying "cant connect to remote device".

Please Help...  :rolldice:
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Drewko on December 26, 2015, 10:57:21 AM
Well, i guess TPPE is quite different from "traditional" TPP in terms of competitive play because of Slide Evos.

Slide Evos? U mean changable  forms?

Yup, in japanese TPP 1.8 it was a fanmade, "unofficial" patch (and TPPE is mostly translated japanese 1.8 + few unofficial patches like this one). Originaly only one puppet can slide between her Attack and Defense forms, and it is Tewi :V
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Kevin Eontrainer on December 27, 2015, 04:27:07 AM
Well, i guess TPPE is quite different from "traditional" TPP in terms of competitive play because of Slide Evos.

Slide Evos? U mean changable  forms?

Yup, in japanese TPP 1.8 it was a fanmade, "unofficial" patch (and TPPE is mostly translated japanese 1.8 + few unofficial patches like this one). Originaly only one puppet can slide between her Attack and Defense forms, and it is Tewi :V


IMO slide evolutions are the most convenient mechanic in the game. All puppets (or boneka in this case) have an even wider movepool. Its also prevent the player from being "regretful" after evolving his/her puppet into the wrong/unwanted form :v
Except fro advent and trade evos tho


Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Zak-something on December 27, 2015, 02:41:27 PM
I think Aichi chose to include Slide Evolutions because of the way FRLG is set up (you can't evolve into anything that has a dex entry higher than 150 i think. I tried hacking a CSara in on my first PT and she didn't evolve. I was painfully unamused). So he let you form change instead of forcing you to start a mon over.
i don't know why he does this instead of somehow enabling nat dex and letting you get shards and extra mons in the main game but w/e w/e
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Kevin Eontrainer on December 29, 2015, 08:28:49 AM
I think Aichi chose to include Slide Evolutions because of the way FRLG is set up (you can't evolve into anything that has a dex entry higher than 150 i think. I tried hacking a CSara in on my first PT and she didn't evolve. I was painfully unamused). So he let you form change instead of forcing you to start a mon over.
i don't know why he does this instead of somehow enabling nat dex and letting you get shards and extra mons in the main game but w/e w/e

Thats true. Before U beat the league and obtain the World Artbook (national dex), U cant change forms... Except for Attack Keine IIRC. And yeah U can change form whenever U got bored or anything which is very convenient since Heart stones are purchasable for a rather cheap price. U can also reset your puppet as if it is newly hatched from an egg, so it will reset your puppet to lv.5, reset all the EVs, eliminates your held item (be sure to remove any held item be4 resetting), but the rest remained unhanged (Form, IVs I think, Moves stays). U can also rename it after resetting. This feature allows you to do flat battles.
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: joshcja on December 29, 2015, 02:39:21 PM
Purple also has the egg hatcher though I forget if unamed has had it yet (pretty sure it gets tossed in at sevi).

As for slide its really not too useful for "conveniently" changing forms outside of completely casual play, the difference in total spread between each mon's forms means that efficient use requires eving all over again at best (most forms want radically different natures). At worst you need to breed or rng seed for entire new IV's/Natures/Movepools. Competitively slide is just a way to grant out some truly bullshit movepools.
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Kevin Eontrainer on December 30, 2015, 12:45:12 PM
Competitively slide is just a way to grant out some truly bullshit movepools.

Yes and this bullshit movepool made it fun somehow
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Drewko on January 01, 2016, 09:45:19 AM
I think it's more like Ubers/Anything Goes Here on Smogon - It's nice and fun, but there's no such thing like balance and playing some "serious" (as much as serious can be playing touhoumon competetively, lulz) stuff like tournaments in it would be... sad.
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Kevin Eontrainer on January 01, 2016, 12:12:33 PM
I think it's more like Ubers/Anything Goes Here on Smogon - It's nice and fun, but there's no such thing like balance and playing some "serious" (as much as serious can be playing touhoumon competetively, lulz) stuff like tournaments in it would be... sad.

Speaking of ballance, I think TPPE metagame is pretty much balanced already.. Most Puppets/Boneka are viable in their own way. Also, there are some puppets available in TPPE who actually support competitive touhoumon (e.g: SG-Sanae as Politoed and EX-Marisa as Mega Charizard Y/Ninetales). And yeah Touhoumon Tournaments would be really fun! 
Title: Re: My own TPPE Flat Rules (for fun)
Post by: Kevin Eontrainer on January 01, 2016, 12:14:58 PM
Btw guys, Happy New Year 2016 :)