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Touhou Puppet Play => Creative Conundrum => Topic started by: Sassy-Chibi-Seiga on December 18, 2012, 03:25:55 AM

Title: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Sassy-Chibi-Seiga on December 18, 2012, 03:25:55 AM
Ever looked at a Puppet and say, "Hey what if this Chen had a speed form"? Then this is the thread for you.
Go ahead and brainstorm alternate forms for any Puppet, and you can even include possible stats, abilities, movesets, etc.
Like for example:

ATTACK RIKA (Her in her lil Flower Tank)
Typing: Steel/Nature
90 HP
50 ATK
70 DEFENSE
140 S ATTACK
130 S DEFENSE
50 SPEED

Abilities: Sturdy, Pressure
Movsets include beam related moves and etc.

Basically made this up on a whim wasnt being serious about ARika D:
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Doesnt on December 18, 2012, 03:52:54 AM
Utsuho has neat resistances to Dream, Earth, and Fire- all of Steel's weaknesses- and a broad array of useful support moves, including Will-o-wisp, Twister, Whirlwind, and Roost. She's also one of the only puppets in the game with Fire Veil, enabling her to come in safely on Sakuya's World. Unfortunately, her bulkiest form has very underwhelming 70/70/70 defensive stats...normally, anyway.

DEFENSE UTSUHO
Fire/Flying
Ability: Blaze/Fire Veil

Stats: 100 HP, 60 Attack, 110 Defense, 115 Special Attack, 80 Special Defense, 75 Speed

Her highest stat is intentionally still Special Attack- this is Utsuho, after all. Special Defense suffers because it correlates with the Smart contest category and she isn't that bright. While the other Utsuho shard forms trade critical coverage moves for ungodly stats, this one is fairly tame, so I don't see it being terribly broken with access to all her useful status options (Will o' Wisp, Roost, Twister, Whirlwind). With regards to damaging attacks, this isn't meant to be a sweeper- Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Lava Plume, Energy Ball, and Solarbeam are the only useful attacking moves she needs. (SelfDestruct and Brave Bird do not count as useful with 60 Attack).

edit- in hindsight this looks a lot more like a tech form than a defense form
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Agastya on December 18, 2012, 04:00:00 AM
steel/nature technical patchouli
overgrow/trace

she'd be an oddball patchouli form in that she'd be more physically inclined than special, but not by much - something around 115 physical attack while carrying 105 special attack+speed or so. this way she'd be able to use all of her coverage moves to a degree, and she can bust out random steel fists and power whips.

kind of like technical alice, only with coverage out the whazoo and no explosion/sub/hypnosis/focus punch.
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: PrinnyAce on December 18, 2012, 05:09:20 AM
Name
Magic Mirror (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:Th05MagicMirrorMidbossAngel.png)
(evolves from kedema with Defense stone)
Ability
Synchronize

Type
Flying

Base Stats
HP:  110
Atk: 40
Def:  105
SpAtk: 70
SpDef: 105
Spd: 60

I want to see some pure flying type that is just kind of a defensive thing. few of the things is that it can dual screen, whirlwind, recover(not roost lololol). To be honest its built like you would expect a defensive flying type is and is pretty generic though it would get some nice moves like flamethrower, blizzard(as in no ice beam), and air slash but base 70 special attack kind of hinders that for the most part and honestly I'm not good with stat distribution but hey i gave it a shot.
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Kurosaki666Tomoya on December 18, 2012, 09:27:03 PM
I'd love to see a defense form of Yuuka or Kazami. Just for the hell of it. I have no clue about base values, so I'm not even gonna try with that.
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: EXSariel on January 02, 2013, 10:08:55 AM
Clearly I should use all the dumb ideas in this thread to create an 'extended' metagame for Shoddy 1.8
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Drewko on January 02, 2013, 12:52:37 PM
Name
Divine Dragon/God Of Gensokyo
evolves from kedema with solar shard OR legendary puppet in some hack)
Ability:Pressure

Type:Faith/Nature

Base Stats
HP:  100
Atk: 100
Def:  100
SpAtk: 100
SpDef: 100
Spd: 100


Moves:
Spec.Att: Thunder, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam, Blizzard, Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Silver Wind, Nature Power...
Support: Roar, Detect, Will'o'wisp, Thunder Wave, Rain Dance, Hail, Sandstorm, Sunny Day...
Att: Earthquake, Meteor Mash, Brave Bird, Elemental Punches...
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Sassy-Chibi-Seiga on January 05, 2013, 02:07:03 AM
Attack Orange
Typing: Dream/Fire(?)
HP: 75(??)
ATK: 255
DEF: 50
SPD: 50
SPATK: 45
SPDEF: 5
TOTAL: 480
Ability: Own Tempo/Inner Power(?)

Meant to be a final resort sort of puppet, with a maximum attack stat, yet having mediocre speed and defense. It would have to be used to make sure your opponent stayed down, yet also not getting KO'd yourself in the process of this. Would be a very deadly agility+substitute partner. Moves, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Neotornado on January 05, 2013, 03:16:15 AM
Since everyone else has suggested some stuff...
How about Technician Luize, based off her second appearance as a midboss.
Heart/ghost or heart/fire, I dunno.
65/95/25/105/85/135
She's meant to be a mixed attacker with blazing fast speed. however, she lacks any notable set-up moves and is VERY weak to mach punch and potentially rock bullet. I can't think of an exact movepool, though.
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: DoctorShanks on January 08, 2013, 03:15:43 PM
Clearly I should use all the dumb ideas in this thread to create an 'extended' metagame for Shoddy 1.8
The Ted Desires cast is "Extended Metagame" enough :c
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Agastya on January 09, 2013, 02:44:34 PM
Clearly I should use all the dumb ideas in this thread to create an 'extended' metagame for Shoddy 1.8
The Ted Desires cast is "Extended Metagame" enough :c

implements yuugenmagan-e with levitate and gengetsu-e with hyper beam on the shoddy servhahahahaha you wish
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: TheStoryteller on January 11, 2013, 10:25:42 PM
Attack Letty
Ice/Earth
HP:100
Atk:130
Def:70
SpA:60
SpD:60
Spe:80
Ability: Wall of Ice aka Thick Fat

aka Bad Mamoswine but honestly Earth + Ice is an amazing two-type offensive combo that provides perfectly neutral coverage in this game as anything that would resist the two (i.e. water type with levitate) does not exist; essentially Earth + Steel but neutrally stronger. Earthquake and Ice Ball, both moves which Letty have (one of which Mamoswine wishes he had), are dangerous when paired. Ice Shard isn't as strong here but priority is priority. This isn't mentioning (LOL) Tailwind, which would strike fear and anger into the hearts of others.
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Sassy-Chibi-Seiga on February 09, 2013, 10:58:42 PM
Attack Luize
Heart/Dark (Heart/Ghost? Ghost/Fire?)
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/45476381/FLuize.png) (Credit to the original artist, I'm assuming Blue made it for his hack but I have no idea.)

I propose that the stage 4 miniboss Attack Luize, firstly, should be heart/dark. Heart/Dark makes her immune to ghost attacks, however, she would now be even more deathly afraid of faith puppets, so perhaps a Ghost/Heart typing would be more ideal for her. I would imagine her form would be a more beefed up special attacker, however, keeping her defense stat somewhat high and keeping her stats up to 510. Perhaps something along the lines of:
HP: 75
ATK: 50
DEF: 95
SATK: 130
SDEF: 65
SPD: 95

Attack Luize would be a somewhat fast special attacker with good defense to keep psychical fighters at bay, though make sure to not have her equipped with psychical attacks and watch out for special attackers (I'd imagine she would get eaten up by Youmu/Youki/Elly/Etc., so there might need to be a typing change all together.) She would most likely retain her killer movesets, including signal beam and tri attack, and perhaps coupled with dark(ghost?) moves such as dream eater (shadow ball??).
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Rhetco on March 08, 2013, 12:10:33 AM
Defense Yoshika

135 HP
45   Atk
140 Def
35   Sp.Atk
130 Sp.Def
25   Spd
Guard Armour / Natural Cure

I think this seems perfectly balanced.

Hey, a man can dream, right?
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Saro2775 on April 25, 2013, 11:02:41 PM
Technical Reimu

Dream/Faith or Dream/Fly
Ability: Hakurei Miko
90 HP
60 ATK
100 DEF
120 Sp.Atk
80 Sp.Def
100 SPD

Special Sweeper Reimu with nice physical Bulk? Would be awesome :-D
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: ILikeTouhou on May 05, 2013, 07:48:37 AM
Defense Kyouko, Attack Yoshika, Helper Seiga, Technical Tojiko, Speed Futo, Attack Miko, and Defense Mamizou. Also, Technical Sariel.
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: ILikeTouhou on May 05, 2013, 07:50:19 AM
By the way, I wasn't thinking when I made up these, so don't question me or give me the true facts, since I'm still a noob XD
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Gunmetal54 on June 13, 2013, 09:40:33 AM
Speed Yuuka.
90/110/60/115/105/60 Total:540.  Which matches the total of her 3 existing evolved forms.

Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: shai_LP on August 15, 2013, 08:19:22 PM
want badly Technical/Defensive/Attack Miko with Cape Sprite

Speed Byakuren with a Sleeveless Sprite/Monk Hat or Technical Byakuren being edited slightly to have those

Advent Yuyuko/Advent Youmu/Advent Eirin exist in other versions of 1.8 but they're not supported in shoddy.


Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Mr155555 on August 16, 2013, 10:56:58 AM
if only attack youmu and defensive toyohime were not enemy exculsive i would love it
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Neotornado on August 16, 2013, 11:37:45 PM
Assuming those puppet stats would be nerfed to be on-par with their other forms, we kinda already have an attack youmu in her regular form. DToyohime would be interesting though. possibly with an AYorihime on top of that? I dunno what their stats would be, though. I'm pretty sure they'd still have their water/earth and steel/faith typing, though.
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Mr155555 on August 22, 2013, 03:33:16 AM
no i mean attack youmu that steven uses that has guts
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Neotornado on August 23, 2013, 05:42:22 AM
from what I know, AYoumu with guts is only for lunarians. very exclusive club.
I've been pinning for gengetsu to be re-typed to dark/dream for a while now, why not theorymon her up!

TGengetsu - Dark/Dream
140 HP
70 ATK
50 DEF
90 SATK
95 SDEF
100SPD

Bulky-yet-fast special attacker, pretty much. kinda like HEirin but with the weakness on the opposite side of the spectrum. only problem is that you'd be relying on accuracy luck a lot since your main STAB moves would be hyper beam and energy ball. (dark pulse isn't strong enough and I highly doubt she'd get hyper voice)
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Naļ on August 23, 2013, 04:33:43 PM
If she did exist, then she probably would get Hyper Voice. Most Dream special attackers get that as their main special Dream STAB, even if they're not a voice-related character; either that or they don't get STAB for Dream at all.
Well, other than Koishi anyway

Same thing with Binding Voice being used by special Beast attackers who'd have no reason to learn it otherwise.



And hey, what's so bad about vanilla Gengetsu? Steel moves/types are as obvious as Nature against TToyo, so you can use her on purpose to lure them out and pivot from there - she gets Reflect for that, too. And when something doesn't have Steel moves, she can work as a pretty damn fast bulky mon (if not the fastest mon with actual bulk any bigger than 80~100s).

Not that 80~100s aren't usable for some fast defensive mons, like vanilla Aya, but that's not the point.
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: SG-Sanae on August 23, 2013, 11:34:00 PM
Toyohime as a special wall works because Nature is her only weakness and it's not that common. Gengetsu's shortcoming is being x4 weak to a type that is absolutely everywhere on physical attackers and is weak to Heart, Faith, Ice and Wind on top of that.
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Naļ on August 24, 2013, 07:35:12 PM
Quote from: Naļ
on purpose to lure them out and pivot from there
TToyo isn't a pivot, she's a bulky attacker (unless you know they have a Nature). They work differently.

Okay, now I'll stop talking because this is supposed to be a discussion about undefined fantastic shard forms.
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: shai_LP on September 01, 2013, 08:18:35 AM
Speed Byakuren

Faith/Illusion type

STAB Extremespeed!!!
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: joshcja on September 01, 2013, 08:38:02 AM
Speed Alice
Reason/Illusion type

STAB Extremespeed!!!

2 weeks later...

Wedding dress becomes #1 item on shoddy

Waifumon accomplished.
Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: shai_LP on September 01, 2013, 12:04:24 PM
there is no basis to Speed Alice though

speed Byakuren has 2fast4u Hopeless Masquerade Byakuren


Title: Re: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: joshcja on September 01, 2013, 08:34:47 PM
there is no basis to Speed Alice though

speed Byakuren has 2fast4u Hopeless Masquerade Byakuren

The power of waifumon is the only basis i need sir >_>
Title: Shard Forms You Wished Existed But Don't Exist
Post by: Rejnka on November 21, 2016, 12:20:38 AM
bump because lol

Technical Marisa (clearly defined muscles, optionally wearing nothing but her hat and bloomers)
100/115/115/70/80/50
Electric/Dream

Speed Kasen (based on vanilla's enemy-only Kasen)
85/120/80/75/90/110 (560)
Faith/Earth

Speed Mima
80/70/80/135/80/115 (560)